TRANSCRIPT: Pauline’s 2GB Interview, Family Law 12/12/18

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Chris:                                         If there’s one issue guaranteed to generate emotion and anger, it’s the family law system. Mention it on air and you’re inundated on both sides. And, because of the emotion, and because children are often involved, it is very difficult to separate fact from fiction. Earlier this year, in a bid to help ease the situation, the Federal Government announced a proposal to combine the Family Court with the Federal Circuit Court. Now, the plan was announced by Attorney General Christian Porter, who said at the time, “This significant structural change is designed to dramatically increase the number of family law matters finalised each and every year, and reduce the backlog of unresolved cases on hand at any one time.” He said, “The purpose of the reform is to ensure Australian families experience shorter waiting times, and a reduction in the potential conflict caused by prolonged and acrimonious family disputes.”

Chris:                                         Now, at the moment, committee hearings on the proposed merger are taking place. So far this week they’ve been in Perth, but the focus now is on the east coast. And attending those hearings is One Nation leader Pauline Hanson. Now, Senator Hanson says while this plan, which had been due to take effect from the 1st of January, by the way, but is now more likely to start in March or April, will help with delays, it’s really just the tip of the iceberg.

Chris:                                         Pauline Hanson wants a Royal Commission into the family law system. She’s called on the government to acknowledge the discriminatory aspects of the family law system contribute to the increase in male suicide rates over Christmas. The terms of reference of her proposed inquiry would include: the conduct of lawyers and the cost of legal advice; the adequacy of legal aid and its budget; the cost of transcripts of court proceedings; the costs, adequacy, and effectiveness of supervised visitation; the conduct and cost of those providing expert advice, including psychologists; the cost and cause of delays; the use of courts at night; the effectiveness and efficiency of the child support system; suicides related to the children’s support and family court systems; and the experience of children.

Chris:                                         Senator Pauline Hanson is on the line right now. Pauline, thank you very much for your time this morning.

Pauline Hanson:                  My pleasure. Thank you, Chris, for having me on.

Chris:                                         How long has this issue been a concern for you, and why?

Pauline Hanson:                  Since 1996, when I first went into Parliament then, it was the biggest issue that came across my desk. And it does with any politician. You said once you bring it up on radio the phone calls come in. No different for politicians. Everyone knows that it’s a huge problem, but they just push it to one side because what can you do about it? It’s too big an issue to deal with.

Chris:                                         It becomes almost too hard for them. Now, I don’t want to intrude on your personal life, but it is relevant. You’re a divorcee. You’ve been through the system yourself. How would you describe your experience?

Pauline Hanson:                  I didn’t have that much of a problem with it, myself personally, but I’ve been through it with two of my sons. And I’m going through it with one of my sons now at the moment, for the past three years. I’ve been very concerned about my sons’ wellbeing, and trying to deal with it through the court system, representing himself. So it’s been extremely difficult for him. I’ve given him the assistance, support, and financial assistance through the trial. It’s extremely hard. I’ve got people pulling me up when I’m doing my shopping. I’m talking to men who are actually at the end of their tether. I’m very concerned about them. It’s absolutely disgusting. Not only that, it’s the children that are lied to by the parents. They’re denied the right to see their parents, either one, the father or the mother. I think that the solicitors and lawyers out there, what they charge their clients, I think it’s disgusting. And it just goes on and on and on.

Chris:                                         This proposal to merge the two courts, I got the impression when I heard this from the minister, that he’s simplifying what is a very complex issue. And when you go through the list of items that you want addressed in a Royal Commission, and I’ve just gone through that in the introduction of the interview, you start to understand how complex it is. There are so many issues that need to be tackled. It’s not just about putting two courts together, is it?

Pauline Hanson:                  No, it’s not. It’s a start. And you’ll find that a lot of the judges are actually agreeing with it to streamline. And the barrister association are actually saying it does need streamlining. We need a one stop pathway for it to actually submit their paperwork to it. But it’s just not that. What they’re trying to do is get rid of the family law court. So there won’t be any more family judges after the last one finishes up at the age of 17, about 2038, ’39. So, therefore, they’re going to bring all of those family law court judges out of the Federal Circuit Court. The Federal Circuit Court judges don’t only handle family law. They handle all other aspects. A lot of the cases have to do with migration, plus other cases. So they’re not expertise in that area. I’m not taking away from judges. There are some that are. But their workloads. You’ll have some judges that will hear at least 10 cases an hour, just going through it.

Pauline Hanson:                  So, judges need to be alleviated, relieved of some of the mentions and some of the minor details that can be taken up by registrars. So they need to put more registrars on, open up the night court. See, we’ve got a backlog in the family law court of 3,000 cases, and under the Federal Circuit Court, 16,800 backlog cases.

Chris:                                         Wow.

Pauline Hanson:                  You’ve got 12 to 18 months before a case can come before the court system [crosstalk 00:06:15].

Chris:                                         And the longer those things go, Pauline, the more it damages the existing relationship between couples. And then the paradigm of children being caught in the middle of it all. And it just compounds the problem, doesn’t it?

Pauline Hanson:                  It does. And the big problem here also is child support. The child support agency has failed, and it’s not doing its job. And that’s the biggest problem that I hear from people as well. So that needs to be sorted out.

Chris:                                         You also say there are judges in the system with no experience of family law. How can that be?

Pauline Hanson:                  Look, they’ve got a touch of it but they’re not totally experienced. And that’s why they were saying in the evidence that’s been given, ’cause I’m now going around Australia. We’ve been to Perth, Adelaide, Sydney today, Brisbane tomorrow, Townsville on Friday, to hear submissions from people with regards to the family law court, and if this bill is going to work. The thing is that they’re worried about if we’re going to lose that experience. And they’re saying if you’re actually going to get rid of the family law courts, you’re going to lose those experiences. ‘Cause a lot of the barristers and solicitors will not go on to become judges in this area, because their work load is too heavy, too stressful. So we need to look at that. We don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. But we need to get it right if we’re going to make these changes. Now, they’re saying that streamlining is going to help. But, I’m concerned now, are we doing the right thing? So I’m going to proceed with it.

Pauline Hanson:                  I’ve also presented to the Prime Minister, and I said to him personally, “You’ve got to go for a Royal Commission into the family law.”

Chris:                                         What was his reaction?

Pauline Hanson:                  He said, “Let me think about it.” Now, I’ve taken other ideas to the government which they’ve taken up. My pension scheme, putting a pipeline for Townsville, defence contracts. I hope they listen to me with this one, because it’s a big issue, effects too many people. And as you said in your opening statement about my comments, at this time of the year, and on Father’s Day we have a lot of suicides with regards to men who are not seeing their children, to do with family law court matters. Please, and I beg people out there, if you know a father out there who doesn’t see his children, who’s depressed over this time of the year, please invite them to spend Christmas Day with you, because I’m very concerned. I don’t want to see another man, or a female, or a mother, who doesn’t see their children at this special time of the year.

Chris:                                         Do you think that the family law decisions more often than not are still weighted against the man?

Pauline Hanson:                  Yes.

Chris:                                         And this is what you’re getting from and gleaning from those who come to you to talk to you about family law?

Pauline Hanson:                  Yes. What is happening is that a lot of women are using these domestic violence orders against the men to help their cases. The fathers don’t get to see the children. The fathers have been fighting these DVO’s. There are actually a lot of them now, bringing false allegations of sexual abuse, which is untrue. The fathers are up against a lot.

Pauline Hanson:                  And of course the courts have to protect the women. And I understand that, because of the 72 women who have been murdered in this last year. But there’s also a lot more male suicides because of it. So it’s a huge, big problem.

Chris:                                         Don’t we need a process by which you can get two sides together in a room? A conciliation, negotiator process, which does happen from time to time, but not happen enough. Because legal practitioners tell me when I raise this subject on air, on my afternoon programme, they tell me time and time again that these are far more effective at getting down to the nub of the issues between the two sides both in terms of property and custody, and it makes a great deal of sense, and then you steer people away from having to fork out exorbitant legal fees.

Pauline Hanson:                  Correct. I’ve actually been working with different organisations that for the last couple of years has been in Parliament. I presented a plan to the Attorney General last week, and it’s basically this, where you actually work together on a [inaudible] mediation that you come to a decision. Now it can be on property and then it can actually do it in the parenting. So the parents actually have to come to an agreement. So the first one who puts the case forward, say they want to go through this process, the other has 30 days to respond to it before it then goes to the court. [crosstalk]

Chris:                                         And then you relieve the pressure on all those judges and courts, Pauline.

Pauline Hanson:                  That’s the answer. That’s the answer to it. And that’s what I’ve presented to the Attorney General. He’s having a look at it at the moment. So I’m trying to come up with ideas and ways that we can actually get it out of the court system. The actual cost of a trial in the family law is about $110,000. In the Federal Circuit Court it’s about $30,000. These are figures just today. You know that 25,000 cases that comes before the courts. The Western Australia has a totally different system, whereas the state government, the state has a say in the family law court, but the magistrate has unlimited powers. They don’t have that around the rest of the country. Everyone looks at the WA way of doing things as the ideal way of dealing with [crosstalk 00:11:20].

Chris:                                         So we could learn from that system, could we?

Pauline Hanson:                  Yes we can. And that’s why even other solicitors and judges around the country hold up the WA systems. And the judges come down with a decision, they have to, within three months. You’ll find that around the country, a lot of decisions are not handed down sometimes for a year, and at some cases even up to even four years.

Chris:                                         That’s frustrating.

Pauline Hanson:                  Exactly right. That’s why people are fed up with it. So I’m trying. These women out there. Please, being a divorced mum myself. The kids only have one mum, one dad. You may have your differences. You were once together. You’ve made the beautiful child. Please, in the interest of the child and each other, get together. Work out your differences. Allow the parents to see the children.

Chris:                                         Don’t use them to hurt your partner.

Pauline Hanson:                  As pawns, exactly right.

Chris:                                         Good luck. You’re on the right case, because as I said at the very beginning, the phones go hot on this subject. There is too much disfunction in the family law court system, and it’s got to change. Pauline, thank you very much for your time.

Pauline Hanson:                  [inaudible] People need power. People power. Get on the phone to the Prime Minister and tell him you want a Royal Commission.

Chris:                                         You want a Royal Commission, support her campaigning on that score. Good on you, Pauline. Thank you.

Pauline Hanson:                  Thanks, Chris. Bye.

Chris:                                         One Nation leader Pauline Hanson.


One Nation Calls for Royal Commission into Family Law

Pauline Hanson has asked the Senate to acknowledge that discriminatory aspects of the Family Law system contribute to the increase in male suicide rates over Christmas.

The system acts to separate children from parents and grandparents at Christmas, contributing to this increase.

One Nation helps extend welfare waiting periods for new migrants

The Coalition may be in chaos but that hasn't stopped One Nation from getting more runs on the board. This week Labor finally agreed to support legislation to increase waiting times for new migrants to become eligible for welfare.Why is this a win for One Nation? Because the Labor party publicity admitted that it was the influence of One Nation that forced them to support the legislation.This is the effect One Nation has on both major parties and it's why it is so vital that we are in Parliament. Because without One Nation the common sense bill would have been blocked by the Greens and other weak willed members of the crossbench.

Posted by Pauline Hanson's Please Explain on Thursday, November 29, 2018

One Nation Wins: Migrants Must Wait For Welfare

The Coalition may be in chaos but that hasn’t stopped One Nation from getting more runs on the board. This week Labor finally agreed to support legislation to increase waiting times for new migrants to become eligible for welfare.

Why is this a win for One Nation? Because the Labor party publicity admitted that it was the influence of One Nation that forced them to support the legislation.

This is the effect One Nation has on both major parties and it’s why it is so vital that we are in Parliament. Because without One Nation the common sense bill would have been blocked by the Greens and other weak willed members of the crossbench.

Missionary’s Killing Shows Hypocrisy of Green Immigration Policy

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There has been an incredible story in the news recently about a remote tribe that has lived unchanged for over 30,000 years.

The Sentinelese people are aggressive towards outsiders and it is illegal to attempt to contact them.

Experts have explained that this is because any contact with the outside world would have a devastating impact on their way of life. The Sentinelese people have also made it clear they want to be left alone.

Pauline Hanson moved to ask the Senate to acknowledge the terrible impact immigration would have on the Sentinelese people and to support them in their desire to protect their way of life through the enforcement of their strict zero-gross immigration policy.

However, the government blocked the motion being tabled. Senator Hanson said:

The Government refused to allow a vote on this matter citing diplomacy concerns. I responded with the following statement.

The case of the isolated people of the North Sentinel Islands has highlighted a fact that many in this place are reluctant to admit. That immigration can have a devastating effect on a people’s culture and way of life. You would be hard pressed to find a single expert who would argue against protecting the Sentinelese peoples culture and way of life through limiting migration to their island. I for one will not be condemning the Sentinelese as racist for keeping their borders closed, nor will I condemn them for their lack of diversity. All peoples should have a right to decide their own fate and I’m disappointed the Senate refused to join me in acknowledging this.

One Nation MP Fights Fires on the Frontline

This week Queensland suffered its worst fire danger rating in its history. Over 100 fires continue to burn across the state with temperatures reaching over 40 degrees, whipped up by dry westerly winds.

Stephen Andrew, One Nation MP for Mirani, was on the frontlines of the fire in his electorate.

🔥 Community Announcement🔥 Conditions for fires in the Electorate today are worsening! Staff are posting on behalf…

Posted by Stephen Andrew MP for Mirani on Tuesday, November 27, 2018

Thousands of people have left their homes under evacuation orders. Many had little time to gather any possessions and are camped out in evacuation centres.

🔥🔥🔥HELP NEEDED🔥🔥🔥 Updated 4:00pm Thank you to all for offering donations, please hold off on water, food and bedding…

Posted by Stephen Andrew MP for Mirani on Tuesday, November 27, 2018

In Gracemere, 8000 people were told to evacuate immediately. The evacuation order came at the same time as school pick up. Parents were told to take schoolkids straight to Rockhampton and not even think about heading home. Thankfully, firefighters were able to hold off the flames that afternoon.

THEY’RE the hometown heroes of Queensland’s hellfire horror.Plumbers, nurses, and miners are among locals who stood…

Posted by Wade Rothery for Capricornia – Pauline Hanson's One Nation on Thursday, November 29, 2018

Fires continue to burn across the state with many towns blacked out by the smoke.

This is the view from the Mirani Electorate Office this morning as fires are still burning in areas throughout the…

Posted by Stephen Andrew MP for Mirani on Wednesday, November 28, 2018

One Nation thanks all firefighters including volunteers and interstate firefighters for their continued work in keeping as many homes and lives safe as possible.

Today I will ask all Senators if they acknowledge that the wearing of full-face coverings, such as burqas and niqabs,...

Posted by Pauline Hanson's Please Explain on Wednesday, September 12, 2018

Pauline Hanson Moves To Ban Burqa – Voted Down By Out Of Touch Politicians

On Thursday Pauline Hanson asked all Senators to acknowledge that the wearing of full-face coverings, such as burqas and niqabs, has no place in a modern western society.

Senator Hanson asked the Senate to call on the Federal Government to ban burqas and niqabs in places where identification is necessary and security is an issue.

One Nation has fought to ban the burqa for many years. Senator Hanson’s motion was the closest Australia has come to realising an actual ban.

Ban The Burqa

Big day today. Pauline is submitting a petition to the Senate that calls for a ban on the burqa and niqab. It has been signed by over 23,000 Australians. So many Australians are passionate about this issue and it is about time they had their voices heard.Pauline will also be forcing the Senate to vote on whether they believe full-face coverings such as the burqa and niqab have any place in western society and calling for the Senate to immediately ban these types of coving in public places where identification is necessary and security is an issue.We've also been saying that feminists are pathetic on this issue and Pauline won't back down.

Posted by Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party on Wednesday, September 12, 2018

Unfortunately the motion was defeated in the Senate, with the big parties, Greens and cross-bench teaming up to vote it down.

SENATE BURQA BAN VOTE OUTCOMEThe major parties have joined with Greens & the crossbench to vote against Pauline's…

Posted by Malcolm Roberts on Wednesday, September 12, 2018

The motion was defeated 4 votes to 43 by politicians in the Senate. Hours later, conducted a public poll where support for the ban came in at 87% with over 24,000 votes at the time.

Undeterred, Senator Hanson and One Nation have vowed to continue fighting to have the burqa banned. Even if we have to deal with gutless politicians who don’t represent the view of the people, One Nation will continue to fight to be the people’s voice in Parliament.

One Nation Announces First Lower House Candidate for Federal Election – Capricornia

With the party’s Federal Candidacy applications closing soon, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation has put a national call out for any last minute applicants who haven’t put their hat in the ring to do so immediately at

Central Queensland miner, Wade Rothery has been announced as the One Nation candidate for Capricornia ahead of the next federal election.

Incumbent Member for Capricornia Michelle Landry, narrowly holds the seat by 0.8%, leaving the father of four a great chance for One Nation’s prospects.

Mr Rothery has described the current political system as a “circus on steroids”, with many people disillusioned with both parties.

“When Bill Shorten gave Labors assurance to a green group activist, Geoff Cousins to try and revoke an environmental licence for a coal mine in Central Queensland, my blood boiled and I said to my wife, neither Labor or the LNP can be trusted to stand by coal mining in this country.”

“One Nation will give the mining sector surety and force the federal Government to underwrite new coal fired power stations and lower the nations electricity prices.”

“Both Labor and the LNP tippy toe around the word ‘coal’ and it’s about time someone just tells the truth. It’s the cheapest form of electricity generation we have in Australia, unless the country is prepared to have a discussion on nuclear.”

Mr Rothery said “Locals recognise the Rothery name throughout Central Queensland. They know my family have had a long standing history in the transport industry throughout Rockhampton.”

“I’ve played for the Comets and chosen to raise my four kids here, while working in the mining industry.”

“It goes without saying this region needs better services and infrastructure, but let’s get back to the basics of Farming, Mining and Tourism. Support those industries with less red tape and more incentives to do well and you’ll see Capricornia boom again.”

“Capricornia has proven it can be successful and I think we can prove it again with One Nation behind the area.”

One Nation has worked hard for Capricornia, saving farmers in Marlborough from compulsory acquisition by the Singaporean Army and securing the Banking Inquiry into Rural Lending Practices, which led to the current Royal Commission into the banks.

“Over 21% of people across Rockhampton and Gracemere put their faith in me at the State election last year and I trust many more will see that I’m keen to change the fortunes of this region, which has long been overlooked by Labor and the LNP.”

Wade is always contactable on his facebook page,

Send Aid to Farmers Not Foreigners

A few months ago, Malcolm Roberts hit the road with a drover to see how some farmers across the country are keeping their cattle alive during this drought.

Australian farmers forced to drove their cattle to keep them alive

A few months ago, Malcolm Roberts hit the road with a drover to see how some farmers across the country are keeping their cattle alive during this drought.#Auspol #OneNation #PaulineHanson

Posted by Pauline Hanson's Please Explain on Thursday, August 2, 2018

How can we justify shamefully wasting billions on overseas handouts to corrupt governments and unaccountable NGOs while our own farmers struggle with extreme droughts and suicide! ‬

SHARE if you think we should start redirecting foreign aid to Aussie farmers!

Pauline Calls for Banking Royal Commission to be Extended

The Banking Royal Commission has already achieved some positive outcomes. We have already seen NAB pledge they will stop…

Posted by Pauline Hanson's Please Explain on Tuesday, July 24, 2018

From the Courier Mail

Pauline Hanson asks PM Malcolm Turnbull to extend banking royal commission


PAULINE Hanson has written to Malcolm Turnbull to call for the banking royal commission to be extended and widened, warning too many victims are not being heard.

The One Nation leader has joined a growing chorus of critics, arguing the inquiry has failed to apply a blowtorch to the opaque relationship between banks, receivers, liquidators and insolvency firms.

The correspondence to Mr Turnbull, dated July 23, came as National Australia Bank bowed to pressure and announced it would stop charging drought-ridden farmers interest when they failed to make repayments.

Senator Hanson asked Mr Turnbull to invite commissioner Ken Hayne to seek extra time to hear more evidence.

The commission must submit an interim report by September 30 and provide a final report by February 1, 2019.​ ​

“I am receiving numerous correspondence and calls from constituents who, while they have lodged their submissions have not, and have been informed by officers of the royal commission, will not be invited to attend to give evidence ­before the royal commission due to the limitation of time,’’ Senator Hanson wrote.

“It needs to be stated categorically any request by the commissioner for an extension of time shall be granted to give full effect to the findings.

“Secondly, the most important issue that has arisen and raised previously by me, is the inclusion of receivers and managers, liquidators and ­insolvency firms appointed by the banks to come within the terms of reference of the royal commission. I, on behalf of all those people who have suffered loss due to actions of those receivers, managers, liquidators and insolvency groups, urge you to take the proactive step of widening the terms of the royal commission to make it perfectly clear it has the authority to call those stated parties to account.

“Also, state publicly and invite the commissioner to seek an extension of time to hear further evidence.”

It is almost certain that if Commissioner Hayne asked for more time, it would be granted.

It’s not good enough that it takes an election to get some sort of funding to address the ice issue in Longman. The...

Posted by Matthew Stephen for Longman - One Nation on Sunday, June 17, 2018

Longman By-Election Campaign Hits Home Straight – Voters Sick of the Lies

The fight for Longman has hit the final day before general polling booths open. Matthew Stephen, candidate for One Nation, has put in a phenomenal amount of work into the electorate.

The difference with Matt’s work is that it involved going to the streets and actually listening to the people of Longman. While the big parties have thrown a metric tonne of fake news at Matt and too many storms in teacups to count, Matt has stuck to his mission of listening to the people and representing them.

“I’m just excited to see how the voters turn out tomorrow.” Matt said today.

“I’ve said from the start I’m here to win and that would absolutely be the best case scenario.”

“Win or lose though, I think we’re going to give the big parties a major shakeup, I know Labor is scared beyond belief at how our campaign has gone.”

Make sure you jump on to Matt’s facebook page and show your support for the final run home!